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DougBradley says "Hi it's a pleasure."
HSHost says "3am over there in London, you are a sport!"
DougBradley says "That's right, it's the Night of the Living Dead
here ;)"
JonasHelleraiser asks "How did you like working with Tony
Hickox on HR 3?"
DougBradley says "Tony was a lot of fun to work with cause he's
another Englishman. And, we got on very well."
HSHost says "He's funny, I interviewed him, too."
DougBradley says "Yes, he's a funny guy, constantly referred to
Pinhead as Pinata ... wasn't an inappropriate name for Pinhead by any means.
He's very wired and sparky and knows what he wants, doesn't make life easy for
himself, his crew, or his cameraman. He did some great stuff in Hellraiser III
I'd like to work with him again."
Apollonius asks "Does the makeup for Pinhead hurt?"
DougBradley says "No, it doesn't hurt, no pain involved, I hate to
disappoint people with this. But, usually they are. I ask how I got the role
of Pinhead and I joke that I was put in a locked room with a remote video
camera witha bunch of nails and a hammer and asked to get creative. Clive
Barker asked me to do the role for the first movie. It's not painful, but not
comfortable .. not something I'd recommend for leisure wear."
Apollonius asks "Was Clive Barker a difficult director to work
with seeing as Pinhead is his creation?"
DougBradley says "Not at all, no. Well, difficult is a moveable
feast as a word. Clive knows what he wants and that was true with Pinhead.
But, he's not difficult to work with by any means, he's very creative to work
with. And, also .. I think what's behind the question here, I've worked with
him on Hellraiser and Nightbreed on projects he's originated and he's written
the screenplay. He's very loose. If you have trouble with a line he has no
problem changing it on set. Although he gave me strong guidelines with Pinhead
and in the first few days of filming, tight direction .. he wanted me to take
the performance down all the time ... cause he could see the sense of quiet,
still threat that Pinhead could pose. Once I was there .. he really left me
alone to fly with it."
HSHost says "that's cool."
Apollonius asks "I've noticed that Pinhead often shows a great
deal of his human side, was this Clive Barker's original intention or was it
your invention?"
DougBradley says "Well, it was ..."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
DougBradley says "It's a long time ago. I think it was a
combination of the two. but, I was aware from day one that Clive had it in his
head that Pinhead had once been a human being. I'm pretty certain we had that
conversation. But, who he was, what he was, and whether he had been a human
being a day before a week before or 200 years, 1,000 years before Hellraiser
begins, I had no idea about that. But, I had this idea in my head that he had
once been human and I felt a sense of melancholy around the character .. and I
"pinned" that on that sense of him having once been human. But, none of the
precise details of the backstory were discussed during the filming. But, it
came out during Hellbound and was fully fleshed out in the 3rd movie. It was
exciting for me as an actor, the way that backstory was explored."
Apollonius asks "Will there be a Hellraiser 5?"
DougBradley says "No plans at the moment. Not to say there won't
be one, but I wouldnt' hold your breath."
Apollonius asks "You once said that you thought of Pinhead as a
fallen angel.... do you think his character has changed since the first film
into something purely demonic?"
DougBradley says "Well, that's a good question! The byline was
always there with the first film angel to some demon to others. I think it's
Pinhead's line in the first film. And, the idea is that .... neutral .. it's a
feeling .. when I first approached the film I was playing a monster in a
horror film, as the movie went on I felt that really Julia and Frank were the
monsters and Pinhead was an impartial umpire watching over the
proceedings."
DougBradley says "So, you could make them positive or negative
make of them what you will depending on what you brought to the table. The
character changed and the emphasis changed deliberately so in the third film
cause we took the idea that the human side of P was his conscious and having
lost that and separated from the rules of the puzzle box he was free to act in
a purely demonic way on his own. In IV we wanted to take the beats for the
character back to the first two films, but it was slightly different in the
fourth film, cause it was personal, in terms of wanting to wipe out the
merchant bloodline. So, his focus was different. It's probably true to say
that he did become more demonic. Certainly if we went to a fifth film, I'd
want to explore that dichotomy and look at the angelic/demonic twist
more."
Apollonius asks "Hellraiser 4: Bloodline had its release
delayed for some time, but I thought it was the second best in the series....
what went wrong?"
DougBradley says "Everything."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Oh no!"
DougBradley says "It was the shoot from hell basically. Fire,
flood, strike, the kid got chicken pox. And, that was just the fun stuff. And,
so that meant that we lost shooting days in the first couple of weeks and on
the kind of schedule (30 days) for what was a very complicated and ambitious
film .. you can't make that time back. I, personally, felt that we did not
have enough money, certainly not enough time to shoot what was a very
complicated movie."
DougBradley says "So, there were problems growing while we were
filming which meant we had to go back and shoot new principal photography
which was done on three or four hits during '95 .. having done the original
shoot in '94 ... so that's the reason it was delayed .. and around march/April
'96 it was released. But, it's good to hear that people like it so much .. in
a way it was a minor miracle it got released at all. There was some really
cool stuff in there."
HSHost says "Yeah."
Apollonius asks "Do you think that the sado-masochism portrayed
in Hellraiser is healthy? .... I do :o)"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "Well I think whatever turns you on and gets you
through the night. I would guess that this person is looking at this in terms
of the piercing and scarring aspects, I think that's perfectly healthy as long
as it's within sane boundaries and you're doing it with proper supervision,
care, and attention .. so forth. Not something I go in for myself, but I think
it's very exciting and I get a lot of fans at conventions with a great deal of
metal about their persons and tattoos all over the place. I'm seeing those
everywhere. There's a guy that was outlining his new tattoo which would be the
whole scene of the box and chains down the whole of his back. A lot of stuff
going on out there. Yeah, I think it's perfectly healthy."
Apollonius asks "What is the name of the female cenobite... or
the actresses name... she is a babe.."
DougBradley says "Is she?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "There were actually two who played the female,
myself and Nick Vince and Simon who played Butterball were constant through
the first two films. The actress who played the female in the second film was
Bobbie Wild. And, you can tell I'm stalling here to buy time ......The female
cenobite ... escapes me completely."
HSHost says "Maybe a fan will know."
DougBradley says "In the first film, as in Clive's original
novella ... they're all completely anonymous. I'm credited for the first movie
as lead cenobite, some sort of demonic chorus line and I was the lead chorus
.. I did the high kicks .. and then it was cenobite #1, #2 and female
cenobite. And, the special makeup effects crew gave us all our names as
nicknames .. so fast that we were all credited with the exception of the
female cenobite .. she was called Deep Throat but I think they weren't
prepared to use that on a credit list, so."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Yeah .. Right."
Apollonius asks "Does the puzzle box really do anything? or is
the prop just a lump of wood?"
DougBradley says "there were different versions of the puzzle box.
There was one that operated with a motor inside it so it would lift and move
around. Often when you see it, it's actually being puppeted, you're looking at
a fake floor with the box on top and there's someone underneath turning it
round and dropping it back down again. For the most part, when you see P or
one of the other characters holding the box, it's a hunk of wood with metal on
it and the whole thing is laquered. I have one of those. From Hellraiser III.
I keep it to keep the kids in order."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
Apollonius asks "Is that black leather outfit hot?"
DougBradley says "Hot. And, comfortable .. no."
Apollonius asks "Have you been to any of the horror conventions
recently?"
DougBradley says "Yes, I have. I haven't been to one in the states
for a while. I've been doing a few over here this year. I did one in
Manchester which was principally a Star Trek thing, but Pinhead crosses over
quite happily with the sci fi fans, this was before he made his debut in outer
space in Bloodline. But, I've been out in the states twice appearing at
haunted houses. I was in St. Louis, Baton Rouge, Atlanta, and talking to
students at University of Penn and Indiana just outside Pittsburgh."
HSHost says "what do you think of the states?"
DougBradley says "I've been in the states more than 30 times in
the past 9-10 years, visited 22 states now so I've seen quite a lot of it. I
actually do love the country, I have mornings where I wake up and I'm homesick
for America. I want to wake up and see New York outside the window, like at
this time of year when it's miserable and drizzly .. see California outside my
window. Yeah, I have a good ongoing relationship with the states, not that it
doesn't drive me nuts, cause it does. But, it's more good than bad. Way
more."
Apollonius asks "What was the catering like on the sets of
Hellraiser.... was anyone still able to eat after all the gore?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "People vomiting everywhere! No, everybody tucked
in to a hearty lunch except for those of us wearing prosthetic makeup cause
you have to be careful .. if you get grease in the corners around the mouth it
breaks down the adhesive to ruin the latex and then you have hell for the rest
of the day. So, lunchtime was never my favorite time. I enjoy it when I'm on
the set without the makeup on. I remember those miserable days picking at my
cold salad."
HSHost {action} laughs"
Apollonius asks "Did you always want to be famous.... or just
infamous?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "Well, let's see .. when I get asked for advice
to people who want to be an actor, very often you hear actors in response to
that saying "don't." Which I never say cause here I am doing it. Seems to me I
don't have the right to tell others not to do it. But, I do say if your
motivation is fame and fortune, then forget it. Get a job reading the weather
on the local TV station, cause that's guaranteed. You will make money and get
famous just by having your face on the box, you'll become a celeb
straightaway. But, it's a tiny proportion of actors who get to be famous.
DougBradley says "So, I never set out with that motivation. And,
it's still not anything that motivates me as an actor. Having said that, it's
much better to be either famous or indeed, infamous. As an actor .. cause then
at least people know who the hell you are, which is the trick. So, I'm not
fighting shy of it by any means. It's much better to be here than starving and
if I'm going to be typecast for this type of thing that's going to keep me in
work than I'm not complaining .. for the moment."
HSHost {action} chuckles"
HSHost says "Right."
guest10743 asks "Back in the 40's ...there was a scary movie
staring Margaret O'Brien...and a piano was playing by it self....what was the
name of that movie? It still haunts me."
DougBradley says "Oh God! Geez, yeah ..."
DougBradley {action} thinking about it."
DougBradley says "No, it's gone. I know exactly the movie. Maybe
someone else will come up with it."
HSHost says "Yeah! If you know, write in."
Apollonius asks "What Hellraising things will you be doing for
Hallowe'en?"
DougBradley says "Well, I'm actually going to be in Belfast,
Northern Ireland .. to do a signing at a store in Belfast this Saturday."
DougBradley says "And, I'll be flying back Saturday evening. And,
when I get back home, I'll be making a pumpkin lantern with the kids and
they'll be dressed up as witches and ghouls and we'll have fun."
HSHost says "Cool!"
Apollonius asks "How did you start your acting career?"
DougBradley says "Sort of by accident. It was something that was
always there for me from as far back as I can remember. I started to do it
seriously at senior school which is where I first met Clive. Clive was already
doing stuff then, writing his own plays, getting permission to take over the
school hall and perform them. That's where I started working with him. After
school, I studied English literature which I found a big mistake cause I
didn't want to study them, I wanted to do them."
DougBradley says "So, I left University and a group of us in
Liverpool were doing experimental theatre for a number of years and then we
came down to London and started The Dog Company. Why exactly The Dog Company,
I don't know. Maybe we were aware of the connection to Clive's surname,
Barker. Also cause Dog is God backwards. Another reason there. And, it was
actually during the History of the Devil, which I was playing the Devil,
that's the first time I consciously said to myself, "you know, you can really
do this and to be immodest for a moment, you can do this better than a lot and
as good as most."
DougBradley says "This is what you should be doing. And, certainly
nothing I'd ever done gave me as much pleasure as acting did. So ... At that
point, I guess I could have made the decision to go off to theatre school but
I'd been doing it for a while by that time and I didn't want to take 3 years
to have someone teach me how to do it. I'd made my mistakes and had already
been doing it."
Apollonius asks "Do you feel equal to Boris Karloff and the
other great masters of horror.? if you don't, you should do... you are a
superb actor."
DougBradley says "This is immensely flattering wonderful when
people say things like this. I am utterly in awe of people like Karloff and
Price. I came across their work as a teen before I thought about being an
actor, I was a fan of horror films and I loved these people and their work and
I got to know more of Karloff and Price and Lon Chaney Sr. as actors and as
people ...I'm so terribly flattered to feel that people are prepared to talk
about me in the same breath. I wish I had the chance to meet particularly
Vincent Price and Peter Cushing who was really a hero of mine."
DougBradley says "He was always Christopher Lee's foil .. Helsing
to Lee's Dracula. And, he was Baron Frankenstein. Absolutely the definitive
Baron as far as I'm concerned and also the definitive Sherlock Holmes just a
notch ahead of Basil Rathbone. And, one of my favorite Dr. Who's .. never
played him on TV, but played him twice on screen."
DougBradley says "He died a few years ago .. I have met
Christopher Lee. He is such a striking man. Turns heads across the room. I met
him two or three times .. it's very exciting and I'm very honored hear people
say those things. But, I think we have been through a second golden age of
horror movies in the past 20-25 years that have brought up these new actors
like myself and Robert Englund who have become sort of the stars of that
genre."
Apollonius asks "Does it surprise you that so many people have
your poster on their bedroom walls?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "That's fun again and again it's a great honor.
People say to me, "Yeah, you're the first person I see every morning when I
wake up. ANd, I dream about you every night. You know you gave me my first
nightmare." Of course it's not me they'rer talking about, it's Pinhead. And,
it's whatever they're making of the character. I keep myself distanced from
that which I think is a good idea for sanity."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
DougBradley says "But, when I said before I was talking to the
students at University in Pennsylvania, myself and a few others including
George Romero and Kane Hutter who played Jason and it was a horror writing
class in the afternoon and at the end one student came rushing up to me. She
was so excited she could barely contain it and could she please hav emy
autograph cause she was writing a paper about Pinhead. So, he's a poster on
bedroom walls and also now a University thesis."
HSHost {action} laughs1"
HSHost says "Yeah, that's cool. George Romero is going to be on
the show tomorrow night."
DougBradley says "Oh really? Say hi to him."
Apollonius asks "What did you think of "Event Horizon"?
Personally, I think Clive Barker should sue them.... it was Hellraiser in all
but name..."
DougBradley says "I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen some
bits. I know exactly what they're talking about .. people say are they ripping
off Helraiser or not? But, I think you should be more flattered than
otherwise, if you put an image out there that is so strong, powerful, original
that people want to pay homage to it or copy it in some way, it's more good
than bad. I thought the last Star Trek movie, "First Contact" was messing with
cenobite territory, the way the aliens looked, particularly the female, she
had her head pealed back a bit .. like Angelique cenobite in Bloodline. You
see that all over the place now. I think it's exciting to see it. There are
people that argue that Edward Scissorhands is really a cenobite."
Apollonius asks "You never see the Cenobites eat.... what do
they "live" on?"
DougBradley says "Well, it goes back to the conversation about
lunch, .. the catering on set. If you see a cenobite eat, you don't want to
see it. We feed on souls, don't we? Medium rare."
Apollonius asks "Do you ever go to parties dressed as
Pinhead.... or would it take too long to get ready?"
DougBradley says "Not only would it take way too long, but I don't
go near that **** unless I'm being paid."
DougBradley {action} laughs"
HSHost {action} laughs!"
HSHost says "Good man!"
Apollonius asks "Do you like computers and the internet? Or
does the thought of the world wide web and what it could become scare you in
any way?"
DougBradley says "Doesn't scare me, not something I spend a lot of
time doing. But, I think it's exciting rather than scary. I think all these
things tend to be exciting and scary at the same itme. All huge innovations
and there's no doubt that the internet is possibly the most dramatic
revolution in terms of info since the printing press. Hugely exciting, the
possibilities seem to be literally endless and that makes it kind of scary at
the same time. In the wrong hands it could be a nasty weapon, but I think it's
wonderful."
Apollonius asks "Did playing Pinhead make you feel different
about the world?"
DougBradley says "Hah. Um ... no. I don't think so. It was a job.
And, I mean it was a job that excited mea great deal. And, I'm very proud of
what I've done with the character and the movies. But, I leave the work at the
office."
Apollonius asks "Do you think antiheroes have more fun?"
DougBradley says "Oh, you bet. No question. Yeah, the devil has
all the fun and he plays it so well. I think the only interesting kind of hero
anyway is an anti-hero, a flawed hero, a hero that's struggling. The goody two
shoes .. blech."
Apollonius asks "Do you like horror films in general, or was
Hellraiser just something you fell into by accident?"
DougBradley says "Yeah. I said before as a teenager, I was a fan
and that interest has never gone away. But, yes, Clive invited me to do it but
when I decided to become an actor I had no specific ambition to get involved
in horror movies. Now that I am, that's fine. It's great."
Jadenlore asks "Which of the four films was your favorite? I
know I really didn't care for Hellraiser III, and wondered how you felt about
it."
DougBradley says "I think my favorite remains the first one. I
have a very different perception of the movies to the way the fans see them
cause I"m on the inside. I think the first one, because it was the first,
where we started out, for me there's a kind of sentimental attachment to it as
well. I hate to disappoint Jadenlore, but I think the 3rd film is possibly my
second favorite. But, to each their own."
HSHost says "there you go!"
Apollonius asks "Margeret O'Brien was in The Canterville
Ghost"
DougBradley says "Oh right! That's the movie based on the Oscar
Wilde story with Charles Laughton. I think there's a scarier movie than that
that we're trying to remember. Okay."
Jadenlore asks "Do you get stopped on the street alot? Do you
get recognized out of makeup?"
DougBradley says "It doesn't happen a lot. But, it does happen. It
happens infrequently enough for me to still be taken aback when it happens. If
I expect fans to be there, then I expect to be recognized. But, if I'm minding
my own business in the street, it still takes me aback. I was stopped in the
street in London once by a guy who said, "Excuse me, do you have a pen?"
DougBradley says "And, I took one out of my pocket, gave it to
him, and he took a piece of paper out of his pocket and says, "Can you sign
this for me?" And, the weirdest one has to be in LA of course while I was
filming Hellraiser IV .. I was in the market doing shopping pushing my trolly
down the aisle and a guy came up and said, "Excuse me, Mr. Bradley, it's such
a pleasure to meet you!" And, he got out his 8x10 glossy and resume! Here we
are getting the fresh fruit and the diapers and he's giving me his resume!
There's nothing I can do with this. He says, "Can you give it to Clive?" And,
I said yes I can but to be honest it'll be filed under B for Bin. He's not
casting anything at the moment. Then he came back and said, "I work in the
city morgue if that helps.""
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "You'll have access to corpses? You're my
man!"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Course, L.A. , whaddya gonna do?"
DougBradley says "Yes."
PinnedHead asks "Did you do any of your own stunts?"
DougBradley says "Ooh .. good question. Pinhead is not really a
great action hero. There haven't been a great deal of stunts but the answer
must be yeah, because thed only person who's ever been inside the makeup and
costume was the male stand-in on Hellraiser III for the scenes where I was
playing Elliot Spencer opposite Pinhead. But, there really haven't been many
of them."
Apollonius asks "What is your favorite film?"
DougBradley says "Not in the genre?"
HSHost says "Any?"
DougBradley says "I don't think I have one particular. If I was
short listing in general, Usual Suspects, Citizen Kane would be there, The
Godfather would be there, and The Third Man, ..."
DougBradley {action} thinks of more ...."
DougBradley says "Oh, Casablanca is an untouchable masterpiece. IN
the genre, for me The Bride of Frankenstein .. 63 years old I think now, is
still the finest piece of work in the genre. And, I'm so looking forward to
seeing "Gods and Monsters" I saw a documentary about the making of it with Sir
Ian McKellan playing James Whale. Certainly The Exorcist, but I was
entertained more than scared of it. I don't believe it in the first place. I'm
not a Catholic and I don't believe in the devil and spirit possession."
DougBradley says "The first Nightmare on Elm Street for me was
great. The Night of the Demon was great. That's the one where you have to pass
the rooms to someone else .. stop the monsters getting to you. The Innocence
directed by Jack Clayton (sp?) which is a wonderful movie, the first that
really scared me .... it's based on Henry James' turn of the screw. I saw it
again on a new print about 5 years ago and it still holds up, such an
outstanding film."
HSHost says "Gods and Monsters .. is that the James Curtis
book?"
DougBradley says "it's based on The Father of Frankenstein. Clive
has produced the movie ... that's it. The movie is called "Gods and
Monsters.""
HSHost says "Yeah, Curtis wrote the book on James Whale. That's
what I'm confused about."
DougBradley says "Right."
Sid asks "Have you written any books?"
DougBradley says "Yes, I have. I wrote a book which we're still
looking for an American publisher. It was published in this country coming up
on 2 years ago. I'm bewildered that we haven't been able to get an American
publisher, but we have not. Called "Sacred Monsters" and it's about my
experiences playing Pinhead and I compared my experience with other actors
doing similar things like Karloff, Price, Chaney, Lee, and I did interviews
with Robert Englund, Jason Voorhies, and Gunnar Hanson who did the first
"Leatherface" in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
DougBradley says "I did my own interviews with them and also
looked at the role of the mask in the history of drama and sort of gone back
to the cultural origins of masking. So, that's the sweep of the book,
published by Titan and you can order it in the states, it does have
distribution there. It's called "Sacred Monsters: Behind the Mask of the
Horror Actor.""
HSHost says "Okay."
LadyLilac asks "How long does it take in general for the make
up for Pinhead? Is it as uncomfortable as it looks?"
DougBradley says "I'm only surprised that we saved this one nearly
for last cause it's usually the first one up. It takes about 3-4 hours
standard time. Early days it was taking more like 5-6 hours cause everyone was
feeling their way with it. But, that's the standard application time. As I
said, you can live with it. When I'm working .. in front of the camera, I
don't even think about the makeup. You're focused on getting the job done, the
makeup's working with you and part of the deal."
HSHost says "And, you're bummed if you get an itch."
Jadenlore asks "By the way, the actress who played the female
Cenobite in the first Hellraiser was Grace Kirby."
DougBradley says "Yeah, absolutely! Yeah, Grace Kirby."
Apollonius asks "What frightens you?"
DougBradley says "Oooh .. uh, wasps. I never could deal with
them."
HSHost says "Are you allergic?"
DougBradley says "Not allergic. Bees are fine, bees I love cause
bees are wonderful. But, wasps are like the hooligans of the insect world,
like flying sharks, they hover and come at you in that Jaws kind of way."
HSHost {action} laughs !!"
DougBradley says "And, it seems to me that when so many exquisite
aniimals face extinction .. why the hell not wasps. If they were facing
extinction .. I don't think Greenpeace would be starting a "save the wasps"
campaign.. But, at the end of the movie, there is a wasp that is used to
symbolize ultimate evil. And, I was like aaaarrrrggghhhh! And, I can't stand
the sight of the hypodermic needle. Anytime someone has an injection you have
to have the close up. And, they cut back again .. so when I think it's safe to
look now, they cut back again .. I thinnk the two are related cause wasps are
like syringes with wings I think."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs!"
HSHost says "yeah they are. Doug, thank you so much for joining us
tonight. It was a pleasure to have you on the show!"
DougBradley says "Thank you!"
HSHost says "And, thanks to all you viewers out there for chatting
with us at REAL HOLLYWOOD.COM. Please join us tomorrow night at 7:00pm PST and
10:00pm EST when our guest will be the legendary George Romero. Good Night,
everyone. See you tomorrow! …. Boo!"
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