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DougBradley says "Hi it's a pleasure."
HSHost says "3am over there in London, you are a sport!"
DougBradley says "That's right, it's the Night of the Living Dead here ;)"
JonasHelleraiser asks "How did you like working with Tony Hickox on HR 3?"
DougBradley says "Tony was a lot of fun to work with cause he's another Englishman. And, we got on very well."
HSHost says "He's funny, I interviewed him, too."
DougBradley says "Yes, he's a funny guy, constantly referred to Pinhead as Pinata ... wasn't an inappropriate name for Pinhead by any means. He's very wired and sparky and knows what he wants, doesn't make life easy for himself, his crew, or his cameraman. He did some great stuff in Hellraiser III I'd like to work with him again."
Apollonius asks "Does the makeup for Pinhead hurt?"
DougBradley says "No, it doesn't hurt, no pain involved, I hate to disappoint people with this. But, usually they are. I ask how I got the role of Pinhead and I joke that I was put in a locked room with a remote video camera witha bunch of nails and a hammer and asked to get creative. Clive Barker asked me to do the role for the first movie. It's not painful, but not comfortable .. not something I'd recommend for leisure wear."
Apollonius asks "Was Clive Barker a difficult director to work with seeing as Pinhead is his creation?"
DougBradley says "Not at all, no. Well, difficult is a moveable feast as a word. Clive knows what he wants and that was true with Pinhead. But, he's not difficult to work with by any means, he's very creative to work with. And, also .. I think what's behind the question here, I've worked with him on Hellraiser and Nightbreed on projects he's originated and he's written the screenplay. He's very loose. If you have trouble with a line he has no problem changing it on set. Although he gave me strong guidelines with Pinhead and in the first few days of filming, tight direction .. he wanted me to take the performance down all the time ... cause he could see the sense of quiet, still threat that Pinhead could pose. Once I was there .. he really left me alone to fly with it."
HSHost says "that's cool."
Apollonius asks "I've noticed that Pinhead often shows a great deal of his human side, was this Clive Barker's original intention or was it your invention?"
DougBradley says "Well, it was ..."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
DougBradley says "It's a long time ago. I think it was a combination of the two. but, I was aware from day one that Clive had it in his head that Pinhead had once been a human being. I'm pretty certain we had that conversation. But, who he was, what he was, and whether he had been a human being a day before a week before or 200 years, 1,000 years before Hellraiser begins, I had no idea about that. But, I had this idea in my head that he had once been human and I felt a sense of melancholy around the character .. and I "pinned" that on that sense of him having once been human. But, none of the precise details of the backstory were discussed during the filming. But, it came out during Hellbound and was fully fleshed out in the 3rd movie. It was exciting for me as an actor, the way that backstory was explored."
Apollonius asks "Will there be a Hellraiser 5?"
DougBradley says "No plans at the moment. Not to say there won't be one, but I wouldnt' hold your breath."
Apollonius asks "You once said that you thought of Pinhead as a fallen angel.... do you think his character has changed since the first film into something purely demonic?"
DougBradley says "Well, that's a good question! The byline was always there with the first film angel to some demon to others. I think it's Pinhead's line in the first film. And, the idea is that .... neutral .. it's a feeling .. when I first approached the film I was playing a monster in a horror film, as the movie went on I felt that really Julia and Frank were the monsters and Pinhead was an impartial umpire watching over the proceedings."
DougBradley says "So, you could make them positive or negative make of them what you will depending on what you brought to the table. The character changed and the emphasis changed deliberately so in the third film cause we took the idea that the human side of P was his conscious and having lost that and separated from the rules of the puzzle box he was free to act in a purely demonic way on his own. In IV we wanted to take the beats for the character back to the first two films, but it was slightly different in the fourth film, cause it was personal, in terms of wanting to wipe out the merchant bloodline. So, his focus was different. It's probably true to say that he did become more demonic. Certainly if we went to a fifth film, I'd want to explore that dichotomy and look at the angelic/demonic twist more."
Apollonius asks "Hellraiser 4: Bloodline had its release delayed for some time, but I thought it was the second best in the series.... what went wrong?"
DougBradley says "Everything."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Oh no!"
DougBradley says "It was the shoot from hell basically. Fire, flood, strike, the kid got chicken pox. And, that was just the fun stuff. And, so that meant that we lost shooting days in the first couple of weeks and on the kind of schedule (30 days) for what was a very complicated and ambitious film .. you can't make that time back. I, personally, felt that we did not have enough money, certainly not enough time to shoot what was a very complicated movie."
DougBradley says "So, there were problems growing while we were filming which meant we had to go back and shoot new principal photography which was done on three or four hits during '95 .. having done the original shoot in '94 ... so that's the reason it was delayed .. and around march/April '96 it was released. But, it's good to hear that people like it so much .. in a way it was a minor miracle it got released at all. There was some really cool stuff in there."
HSHost says "Yeah."
Apollonius asks "Do you think that the sado-masochism portrayed in Hellraiser is healthy? .... I do :o)"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "Well I think whatever turns you on and gets you through the night. I would guess that this person is looking at this in terms of the piercing and scarring aspects, I think that's perfectly healthy as long as it's within sane boundaries and you're doing it with proper supervision, care, and attention .. so forth. Not something I go in for myself, but I think it's very exciting and I get a lot of fans at conventions with a great deal of metal about their persons and tattoos all over the place. I'm seeing those everywhere. There's a guy that was outlining his new tattoo which would be the whole scene of the box and chains down the whole of his back. A lot of stuff going on out there. Yeah, I think it's perfectly healthy."
Apollonius asks "What is the name of the female cenobite... or the actresses name... she is a babe.."
DougBradley says "Is she?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "There were actually two who played the female, myself and Nick Vince and Simon who played Butterball were constant through the first two films. The actress who played the female in the second film was Bobbie Wild. And, you can tell I'm stalling here to buy time ......The female cenobite ... escapes me completely."
HSHost says "Maybe a fan will know."
DougBradley says "In the first film, as in Clive's original novella ... they're all completely anonymous. I'm credited for the first movie as lead cenobite, some sort of demonic chorus line and I was the lead chorus .. I did the high kicks .. and then it was cenobite #1, #2 and female cenobite. And, the special makeup effects crew gave us all our names as nicknames .. so fast that we were all credited with the exception of the female cenobite .. she was called Deep Throat but I think they weren't prepared to use that on a credit list, so."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Yeah .. Right."
Apollonius asks "Does the puzzle box really do anything? or is the prop just a lump of wood?"
DougBradley says "there were different versions of the puzzle box. There was one that operated with a motor inside it so it would lift and move around. Often when you see it, it's actually being puppeted, you're looking at a fake floor with the box on top and there's someone underneath turning it round and dropping it back down again. For the most part, when you see P or one of the other characters holding the box, it's a hunk of wood with metal on it and the whole thing is laquered. I have one of those. From Hellraiser III. I keep it to keep the kids in order."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
Apollonius asks "Is that black leather outfit hot?"
DougBradley says "Hot. And, comfortable .. no."
Apollonius asks "Have you been to any of the horror conventions recently?"
DougBradley says "Yes, I have. I haven't been to one in the states for a while. I've been doing a few over here this year. I did one in Manchester which was principally a Star Trek thing, but Pinhead crosses over quite happily with the sci fi fans, this was before he made his debut in outer space in Bloodline. But, I've been out in the states twice appearing at haunted houses. I was in St. Louis, Baton Rouge, Atlanta, and talking to students at University of Penn and Indiana just outside Pittsburgh."
HSHost says "what do you think of the states?"
DougBradley says "I've been in the states more than 30 times in the past 9-10 years, visited 22 states now so I've seen quite a lot of it. I actually do love the country, I have mornings where I wake up and I'm homesick for America. I want to wake up and see New York outside the window, like at this time of year when it's miserable and drizzly .. see California outside my window. Yeah, I have a good ongoing relationship with the states, not that it doesn't drive me nuts, cause it does. But, it's more good than bad. Way more."
Apollonius asks "What was the catering like on the sets of Hellraiser.... was anyone still able to eat after all the gore?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "People vomiting everywhere! No, everybody tucked in to a hearty lunch except for those of us wearing prosthetic makeup cause you have to be careful .. if you get grease in the corners around the mouth it breaks down the adhesive to ruin the latex and then you have hell for the rest of the day. So, lunchtime was never my favorite time. I enjoy it when I'm on the set without the makeup on. I remember those miserable days picking at my cold salad."
HSHost {action} laughs"
Apollonius asks "Did you always want to be famous.... or just infamous?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "Well, let's see .. when I get asked for advice to people who want to be an actor, very often you hear actors in response to that saying "don't." Which I never say cause here I am doing it. Seems to me I don't have the right to tell others not to do it. But, I do say if your motivation is fame and fortune, then forget it. Get a job reading the weather on the local TV station, cause that's guaranteed. You will make money and get famous just by having your face on the box, you'll become a celeb straightaway. But, it's a tiny proportion of actors who get to be famous.
DougBradley says "So, I never set out with that motivation. And, it's still not anything that motivates me as an actor. Having said that, it's much better to be either famous or indeed, infamous. As an actor .. cause then at least people know who the hell you are, which is the trick. So, I'm not fighting shy of it by any means. It's much better to be here than starving and if I'm going to be typecast for this type of thing that's going to keep me in work than I'm not complaining .. for the moment."
HSHost {action} chuckles"
HSHost says "Right."
guest10743 asks "Back in the 40's ...there was a scary movie staring Margaret O'Brien...and a piano was playing by it self....what was the name of that movie? It still haunts me."
DougBradley says "Oh God! Geez, yeah ..."
DougBradley {action} thinking about it."
DougBradley says "No, it's gone. I know exactly the movie. Maybe someone else will come up with it."
HSHost says "Yeah! If you know, write in."
Apollonius asks "What Hellraising things will you be doing for Hallowe'en?"
DougBradley says "Well, I'm actually going to be in Belfast, Northern Ireland .. to do a signing at a store in Belfast this Saturday."
DougBradley says "And, I'll be flying back Saturday evening. And, when I get back home, I'll be making a pumpkin lantern with the kids and they'll be dressed up as witches and ghouls and we'll have fun."
HSHost says "Cool!"
Apollonius asks "How did you start your acting career?"
DougBradley says "Sort of by accident. It was something that was always there for me from as far back as I can remember. I started to do it seriously at senior school which is where I first met Clive. Clive was already doing stuff then, writing his own plays, getting permission to take over the school hall and perform them. That's where I started working with him. After school, I studied English literature which I found a big mistake cause I didn't want to study them, I wanted to do them."
DougBradley says "So, I left University and a group of us in Liverpool were doing experimental theatre for a number of years and then we came down to London and started The Dog Company. Why exactly The Dog Company, I don't know. Maybe we were aware of the connection to Clive's surname, Barker. Also cause Dog is God backwards. Another reason there. And, it was actually during the History of the Devil, which I was playing the Devil, that's the first time I consciously said to myself, "you know, you can really do this and to be immodest for a moment, you can do this better than a lot and as good as most."
DougBradley says "This is what you should be doing. And, certainly nothing I'd ever done gave me as much pleasure as acting did. So ... At that point, I guess I could have made the decision to go off to theatre school but I'd been doing it for a while by that time and I didn't want to take 3 years to have someone teach me how to do it. I'd made my mistakes and had already been doing it."
Apollonius asks "Do you feel equal to Boris Karloff and the other great masters of horror.? if you don't, you should do... you are a superb actor."
DougBradley says "This is immensely flattering wonderful when people say things like this. I am utterly in awe of people like Karloff and Price. I came across their work as a teen before I thought about being an actor, I was a fan of horror films and I loved these people and their work and I got to know more of Karloff and Price and Lon Chaney Sr. as actors and as people ...I'm so terribly flattered to feel that people are prepared to talk about me in the same breath. I wish I had the chance to meet particularly Vincent Price and Peter Cushing who was really a hero of mine."
DougBradley says "He was always Christopher Lee's foil .. Helsing to Lee's Dracula. And, he was Baron Frankenstein. Absolutely the definitive Baron as far as I'm concerned and also the definitive Sherlock Holmes just a notch ahead of Basil Rathbone. And, one of my favorite Dr. Who's .. never played him on TV, but played him twice on screen."
DougBradley says "He died a few years ago .. I have met Christopher Lee. He is such a striking man. Turns heads across the room. I met him two or three times .. it's very exciting and I'm very honored hear people say those things. But, I think we have been through a second golden age of horror movies in the past 20-25 years that have brought up these new actors like myself and Robert Englund who have become sort of the stars of that genre."
Apollonius asks "Does it surprise you that so many people have your poster on their bedroom walls?"
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "That's fun again and again it's a great honor. People say to me, "Yeah, you're the first person I see every morning when I wake up. ANd, I dream about you every night. You know you gave me my first nightmare." Of course it's not me they'rer talking about, it's Pinhead. And, it's whatever they're making of the character. I keep myself distanced from that which I think is a good idea for sanity."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
DougBradley says "But, when I said before I was talking to the students at University in Pennsylvania, myself and a few others including George Romero and Kane Hutter who played Jason and it was a horror writing class in the afternoon and at the end one student came rushing up to me. She was so excited she could barely contain it and could she please hav emy autograph cause she was writing a paper about Pinhead. So, he's a poster on bedroom walls and also now a University thesis."
HSHost {action} laughs1"
HSHost says "Yeah, that's cool. George Romero is going to be on the show tomorrow night."
DougBradley says "Oh really? Say hi to him."
Apollonius asks "What did you think of "Event Horizon"? Personally, I think Clive Barker should sue them.... it was Hellraiser in all but name..."
DougBradley says "I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen some bits. I know exactly what they're talking about .. people say are they ripping off Helraiser or not? But, I think you should be more flattered than otherwise, if you put an image out there that is so strong, powerful, original that people want to pay homage to it or copy it in some way, it's more good than bad. I thought the last Star Trek movie, "First Contact" was messing with cenobite territory, the way the aliens looked, particularly the female, she had her head pealed back a bit .. like Angelique cenobite in Bloodline. You see that all over the place now. I think it's exciting to see it. There are people that argue that Edward Scissorhands is really a cenobite."
Apollonius asks "You never see the Cenobites eat.... what do they "live" on?"
DougBradley says "Well, it goes back to the conversation about lunch, .. the catering on set. If you see a cenobite eat, you don't want to see it. We feed on souls, don't we? Medium rare."
Apollonius asks "Do you ever go to parties dressed as Pinhead.... or would it take too long to get ready?"
DougBradley says "Not only would it take way too long, but I don't go near that **** unless I'm being paid."
DougBradley {action} laughs"
HSHost {action} laughs!"
HSHost says "Good man!"
Apollonius asks "Do you like computers and the internet? Or does the thought of the world wide web and what it could become scare you in any way?"
DougBradley says "Doesn't scare me, not something I spend a lot of time doing. But, I think it's exciting rather than scary. I think all these things tend to be exciting and scary at the same itme. All huge innovations and there's no doubt that the internet is possibly the most dramatic revolution in terms of info since the printing press. Hugely exciting, the possibilities seem to be literally endless and that makes it kind of scary at the same time. In the wrong hands it could be a nasty weapon, but I think it's wonderful."
Apollonius asks "Did playing Pinhead make you feel different about the world?"
DougBradley says "Hah. Um ... no. I don't think so. It was a job. And, I mean it was a job that excited mea great deal. And, I'm very proud of what I've done with the character and the movies. But, I leave the work at the office."
Apollonius asks "Do you think antiheroes have more fun?"
DougBradley says "Oh, you bet. No question. Yeah, the devil has all the fun and he plays it so well. I think the only interesting kind of hero anyway is an anti-hero, a flawed hero, a hero that's struggling. The goody two shoes .. blech."
Apollonius asks "Do you like horror films in general, or was Hellraiser just something you fell into by accident?"
DougBradley says "Yeah. I said before as a teenager, I was a fan and that interest has never gone away. But, yes, Clive invited me to do it but when I decided to become an actor I had no specific ambition to get involved in horror movies. Now that I am, that's fine. It's great."
Jadenlore asks "Which of the four films was your favorite? I know I really didn't care for Hellraiser III, and wondered how you felt about it."
DougBradley says "I think my favorite remains the first one. I have a very different perception of the movies to the way the fans see them cause I"m on the inside. I think the first one, because it was the first, where we started out, for me there's a kind of sentimental attachment to it as well. I hate to disappoint Jadenlore, but I think the 3rd film is possibly my second favorite. But, to each their own."
HSHost says "there you go!"
Apollonius asks "Margeret O'Brien was in The Canterville Ghost"
DougBradley says "Oh right! That's the movie based on the Oscar Wilde story with Charles Laughton. I think there's a scarier movie than that that we're trying to remember. Okay."
Jadenlore asks "Do you get stopped on the street alot? Do you get recognized out of makeup?"
DougBradley says "It doesn't happen a lot. But, it does happen. It happens infrequently enough for me to still be taken aback when it happens. If I expect fans to be there, then I expect to be recognized. But, if I'm minding my own business in the street, it still takes me aback. I was stopped in the street in London once by a guy who said, "Excuse me, do you have a pen?"
DougBradley says "And, I took one out of my pocket, gave it to him, and he took a piece of paper out of his pocket and says, "Can you sign this for me?" And, the weirdest one has to be in LA of course while I was filming Hellraiser IV .. I was in the market doing shopping pushing my trolly down the aisle and a guy came up and said, "Excuse me, Mr. Bradley, it's such a pleasure to meet you!" And, he got out his 8x10 glossy and resume! Here we are getting the fresh fruit and the diapers and he's giving me his resume! There's nothing I can do with this. He says, "Can you give it to Clive?" And, I said yes I can but to be honest it'll be filed under B for Bin. He's not casting anything at the moment. Then he came back and said, "I work in the city morgue if that helps.""
DougBradley {action} laughs"
DougBradley says "You'll have access to corpses? You're my man!"
HSHost {action} laughs"
HSHost says "Course, L.A. , whaddya gonna do?"
DougBradley says "Yes."
PinnedHead asks "Did you do any of your own stunts?"
DougBradley says "Ooh .. good question. Pinhead is not really a great action hero. There haven't been a great deal of stunts but the answer must be yeah, because thed only person who's ever been inside the makeup and costume was the male stand-in on Hellraiser III for the scenes where I was playing Elliot Spencer opposite Pinhead. But, there really haven't been many of them."
Apollonius asks "What is your favorite film?"
DougBradley says "Not in the genre?"
HSHost says "Any?"
DougBradley says "I don't think I have one particular. If I was short listing in general, Usual Suspects, Citizen Kane would be there, The Godfather would be there, and The Third Man, ..."
DougBradley {action} thinks of more ...."
DougBradley says "Oh, Casablanca is an untouchable masterpiece. IN the genre, for me The Bride of Frankenstein .. 63 years old I think now, is still the finest piece of work in the genre. And, I'm so looking forward to seeing "Gods and Monsters" I saw a documentary about the making of it with Sir Ian McKellan playing James Whale. Certainly The Exorcist, but I was entertained more than scared of it. I don't believe it in the first place. I'm not a Catholic and I don't believe in the devil and spirit possession."
DougBradley says "The first Nightmare on Elm Street for me was great. The Night of the Demon was great. That's the one where you have to pass the rooms to someone else .. stop the monsters getting to you. The Innocence directed by Jack Clayton (sp?) which is a wonderful movie, the first that really scared me .... it's based on Henry James' turn of the screw. I saw it again on a new print about 5 years ago and it still holds up, such an outstanding film."
HSHost says "Gods and Monsters .. is that the James Curtis book?"
DougBradley says "it's based on The Father of Frankenstein. Clive has produced the movie ... that's it. The movie is called "Gods and Monsters.""
HSHost says "Yeah, Curtis wrote the book on James Whale. That's what I'm confused about."
DougBradley says "Right."
Sid asks "Have you written any books?"
DougBradley says "Yes, I have. I wrote a book which we're still looking for an American publisher. It was published in this country coming up on 2 years ago. I'm bewildered that we haven't been able to get an American publisher, but we have not. Called "Sacred Monsters" and it's about my experiences playing Pinhead and I compared my experience with other actors doing similar things like Karloff, Price, Chaney, Lee, and I did interviews with Robert Englund, Jason Voorhies, and Gunnar Hanson who did the first "Leatherface" in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
DougBradley says "I did my own interviews with them and also looked at the role of the mask in the history of drama and sort of gone back to the cultural origins of masking. So, that's the sweep of the book, published by Titan and you can order it in the states, it does have distribution there. It's called "Sacred Monsters: Behind the Mask of the Horror Actor.""
HSHost says "Okay."
LadyLilac asks "How long does it take in general for the make up for Pinhead? Is it as uncomfortable as it looks?"
DougBradley says "I'm only surprised that we saved this one nearly for last cause it's usually the first one up. It takes about 3-4 hours standard time. Early days it was taking more like 5-6 hours cause everyone was feeling their way with it. But, that's the standard application time. As I said, you can live with it. When I'm working .. in front of the camera, I don't even think about the makeup. You're focused on getting the job done, the makeup's working with you and part of the deal."
HSHost says "And, you're bummed if you get an itch."
Jadenlore asks "By the way, the actress who played the female Cenobite in the first Hellraiser was Grace Kirby."
DougBradley says "Yeah, absolutely! Yeah, Grace Kirby."
Apollonius asks "What frightens you?"
DougBradley says "Oooh .. uh, wasps. I never could deal with them."
HSHost says "Are you allergic?"
DougBradley says "Not allergic. Bees are fine, bees I love cause bees are wonderful. But, wasps are like the hooligans of the insect world, like flying sharks, they hover and come at you in that Jaws kind of way."
HSHost {action} laughs !!"
DougBradley says "And, it seems to me that when so many exquisite aniimals face extinction .. why the hell not wasps. If they were facing extinction .. I don't think Greenpeace would be starting a "save the wasps" campaign.. But, at the end of the movie, there is a wasp that is used to symbolize ultimate evil. And, I was like aaaarrrrggghhhh! And, I can't stand the sight of the hypodermic needle. Anytime someone has an injection you have to have the close up. And, they cut back again .. so when I think it's safe to look now, they cut back again .. I thinnk the two are related cause wasps are like syringes with wings I think."
DougBradley {action} chuckles"
HSHost {action} laughs!"
HSHost says "yeah they are. Doug, thank you so much for joining us tonight. It was a pleasure to have you on the show!"
DougBradley says "Thank you!"
HSHost says "And, thanks to all you viewers out there for chatting with us at REAL HOLLYWOOD.COM. Please join us tomorrow night at 7:00pm PST and 10:00pm EST when our guest will be the legendary George Romero. Good Night, everyone. See you tomorrow! …. Boo!"

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